Originally posted by Nate The SnakeFuckin' wahhh, wahhh, wahhh. I've said it before, some of you people wouldn't be satisfied by anything that Raw puts on. Vince could send your favorite Diva down to personally suck your dicks while stabbing HHH with a screwdriver and you'd still bitch.
HHH pulls out one of his best-written, best-delivered promos last night, saying NOTHING that hasn't been said by the announcers or the other talent about both WCW and Booker, and you're complaining because THE ARROGANT HEEL DARED TO BELITTLE HIS FACE OPPONENT. Hey, wait, didn't the Rock and Jericho do that later tonight with their respective opponents? Oh, I forgot. That doesn't count because they aren't HHH, and it's HARD to be consistent.
They make what'll likely shape up to be a hell of an entertaining match next week, with a newly fresh and funny Rock versus an on-the-rise-to-the-main Booker T, which will most likely be at the very least a shitload better than anything Raw's presented for a long while, and you piss and moan all over yourselves because you've deluded yourselves into thinking they're going to yank Rocky out of his feud with Austin to have a heel-heel match vs. Triple H at Wrestlemania for NO FUCKING REASON other than you're bitter and smarky.
And, of course, you pull out the hypocritical "wife-beater" shit, because you're completely lily-white and pure and have never, ever done anything stupid in your lives.
Read a book or something useful next Monday night, and spare the reasonable folks the hassle of slogging through all this bitter, pointless, hypocritical bitching.
Thanks for saying that.
Personally, I thought Triple H's promo was really well done and I was surprised. He looks good, he sounds better than he has in a long time on the mic and he's trashing his opponent for Wrestlemania, which is what is fucking suposed to go down. My problem was with Booker, or, more specifically, whoever wrote his lines. Triple H comes out, cuts a mean and nasty heel promo on him, and then Booker goes and says "Some of what you said is true..." What the fuck? He sounded like a total fucking pussy. He should have got right up in Triple H's face and told him that he was full of shit and going to lose his belt at Wrestlemania. What the hell was he doing agreeing, even partially, with a heel who just talked some serious trash about him? That was stupid on WWE's part, and, no, I don't think Triple H wrote that fucking line as a part of his conspiracy to hold every wrestler on Earth down.
Sorry, I missed the opening promo, all I heard was that HHH cut a fairly racist promo about Booker and Booker just fumed. I just don't understand why, the writers or even Booker would just agree with even one word of what HHH said. I know Rock doesn't have anyone write his promos minus the note that says "We would like you put over this match or incident in your promo." How Rock gets there is all Rock. I am sensing that HHH has that ability as well which is unfortuante, because he wields it poorly. He gets himself and the match over, but he leaves his competitor in the dust. I have not really seen a HHH prome put someone besides himself over even when he was face. I guess it goes with the HHH that he is an egomanic. However, it doesn't work well when the person HHH is cutting a promo against stands there and takes it. It makes the other wrestler and even the match look weaker. All it does is make HHH look good no matter what he outcome. I just think the writers either need to eveluate what is going on with this fued or just let Booker fight back in promos.
Originally posted by A FanBooker agreed with Hunter?!
Sorry, I missed the opening promo, all I heard was that HHH cut a fairly racist promo about Booker and Booker just fumed. I just don't understand why, the writers or even Booker would just agree with even one word of what HHH said. I know Rock doesn't have anyone write his promos minus the note that says "We would like you put over this match or incident in your promo." How Rock gets there is all Rock. I am sensing that HHH has that ability as well which is unfortuante, because he wields it poorly. He gets himself and the match over, but he leaves his competitor in the dust. I have not really seen a HHH prome put someone besides himself over even when he was face. I guess it goes with the HHH that he is an egomanic. However, it doesn't work well when the person HHH is cutting a promo against stands there and takes it. It makes the other wrestler and even the match look weaker. All it does is make HHH look good no matter what he outcome. I just think the writers either need to eveluate what is going on with this fued or just let Booker fight back in promos.
A Fan- And people wonder why I love Rock.
If you didn't see it, you probably shouldn't be commenting on it. This should be obvious and I shouldn't have to say it.
CRZ - Also, this gimmick of yours is really really annoying. Put it in the message text if it's important.
Originally posted by Nate The SnakeFuckin' wahhh, wahhh, wahhh. I've said it before, some of you people wouldn't be satisfied by anything that Raw puts on. Vince could send your favorite Diva down to personally suck your dicks while stabbing HHH with a screwdriver and you'd still bitch.
HHH pulls out one of his best-written, best-delivered promos last night, saying NOTHING that hasn't been said by the announcers or the other talent about both WCW and Booker, and you're complaining because THE ARROGANT HEEL DARED TO BELITTLE HIS FACE OPPONENT. Hey, wait, didn't the Rock and Jericho do that later tonight with their respective opponents? Oh, I forgot. That doesn't count because they aren't HHH, and it's HARD to be consistent.
They make what'll likely shape up to be a hell of an entertaining match next week, with a newly fresh and funny Rock versus an on-the-rise-to-the-main Booker T, which will most likely be at the very least a shitload better than anything Raw's presented for a long while, and you piss and moan all over yourselves because you've deluded yourselves into thinking they're going to yank Rocky out of his feud with Austin to have a heel-heel match vs. Triple H at Wrestlemania for NO FUCKING REASON other than you're bitter and smarky.
And, of course, you pull out the hypocritical "wife-beater" shit, because you're completely lily-white and pure and have never, ever done anything stupid in your lives.
Read a book or something useful next Monday night, and spare the reasonable folks the hassle of slogging through all this bitter, pointless, hypocritical bitching.
I have a life-long mission to battle retardation so I gotta weigh in on this. I believe the issue at hand is not that Triple H belitted his opponent but that he did so in a completely illogicial way. The WCW belt is on Triple H's shoulder now. It's the same physical title. If it has no connection to that actual lineage (which many baselessly claim that it does) good luck explaining to anyone with a functioning brain why the same physical object is used. For HHH to say that the WCW title is worthless when he's holding a version of it, with Ric Flair standing next to him isn't him "holding anyone down" but it's kinda retarded. I'm not a HHHater. I just like the basics to make sense. This is fucking wrestling folks. It ain't NYPD Blue, it ain't Star Trek, it ain't a psychological thriller. Only a few things need to make sense to make wrestling writing work, and they don't, so people complain. It's like writing a movie where a guy gets someone's ex girlfriend and then says what a worthless slut she is...But still brags about how he has her. It's bad writing. It doesn't offend me and it's not about conspiracy...It's just fucking dumb.
Then, the nappy comment drew a groan from the crowd. Clearly, Uniondale or wherever the fuck they were at "got" the racial element. Anyone with any understanding of American history can see the racial overtones of asking someone black to dance for you and talking about "people like you". This wasn't coincidental as if he called Booker a chicken and we argued "blacks like their chicken". This was a little more pronounced. It had the racial overtones. Yes, you can dispute this but only in the way you can also dispute that water is wet, which is to say anyone can dispute anything and someone always does. There are people in the world arguing right now that we don't really exist, and these are the people who would argue that Trips' interview had no racial overtones. This promo bothered the non-fans in my house because of the racial overtones. I didn't have a problem personally because Trips is a heel and therefore they are showing him as an ass. But this was a problem for some people so let's not ignore it.
I, however, don't think it wasn't a great promo...It was actually a very "inside" promo. It didn't suck but I don't see why this one is such a great highpoint for Trips. It was pretty average.
Finally, I am not lily-white, and I have done stupid things. But I have never beaten a woman. Look up the definition of hypocrite. In the context you use it, we the "Austin haters" would only be hypocrites if we beat women and then criticized him for doing so. So, if the hypocrisy of which you're speaking is broad-based to the point of complete idiocy, which I have to assume it was in order for your thesis to make even the slightest bit of sense, then sadly your twisted rationalizing is illogical. Since I have done bad things in my life, I must never criticize anyone who's done bad things? Yes. Let's go with that. Fuck rule of law...This is the system that'll fix the world. That is the dumbest point I've ever seen made on this board. You may as well have made a list.
Now if Austin had gotten drunk and puked on the sidewalk and missed a party he'd promised he'd be at; THEN I'd leave him alone. I've done that. But I can and will continue to deride anyone who stoops to levels I never have, and will continue to deride these people until such time that I too stoop to those levels, which; without being clairvoyant, I still feel confident in saying will never happen. People tell me I'm nice when I'm drunk, and I never say bad things to anyone or treat anyone bad. So let's stop pretending that Austin's sin was something that could "happen to anybody", and let's not make the absolutely fucking vapid argument that I can't predict the future, let's go on what I've done that compares to Austin. Which is nothing.
Jeez, can we stop defending this? I don't like Ike Turner either...
"Whatever I just posted above is what your mother said in bed last night."
Originally posted by redsoxnationHow long until Catchphrase disappears, so I can watch the show without half hour breaks inserted
So after all you've read here about how spectacular Rock has been over the past 2 weeks (and you seem to be the only exception- to me this is the closest to unanimity I've seen here), you're still going to stubbornly ignore his matches and promos?
I've despised him since he was playing football for the University of Miami and have never had any use for him. The sooner he goes away, the better.
Ole Anderson booking is a weapon of self inflicted mass destruction.
Redsox: You don't watch Rock when he's on and yet you hate him? At the very least can you not recognise that the fact that the overwhelmig majority of people think he's awesome means he might just be good for business? A business which presumably you care about?
And Hogan's my Dad, why does it really matter where the belt HHH is holding came from? The holder of the RAW belt has to defend the title against all other competitors on that show. Not WCW wrestlers. Ergo it is the RAW belt, and not the WCW belt. In addition it also incorporates the old IC title which presumably makes it a belt of greater importance than the old WCW title.
"You dont appreciate a lot of stuff in school until you get older. Little things like being spanked every day by a middle aged woman: stuff you'd pay good money for these days."
I think we should keep in mind that HHH did acknowledge that he was standing next to a man who is very proud of his many reigns wearing that very belt by making the dsitinction that it is not WCW title reigns that are meaningless, but that WCW title reigns during the time period in question, the last few years of WCW's existence, are not worth anything because 1) WCW was on it's last legs, 2) bush league (at that point), 3) the belt was held by many unworthy champs (during that timeframe), and 4) HHH feels that the Book should be lumped in with those unworthy champs. Not that that takes anything away from anyone who held that belt before that period (Flair) or after (HHH).
I was under the impression that this was the part of what HHH said that the Book thought might be partly true (not including point 4). Though I concede that the whole segment would have been more palatable if he had responded in some way to the more offensive parts of what HHH had said. "You say you want to see me dance? I'll dance all over your ass... Sucka!!!" Or something like that.
sergei
"I tear my quadracep all the time! I tore it this morning, I'm fine!"-- Kurt Angle
Originally posted by Hogan's My DadI have a life-long mission to battle retardation so I gotta weigh in on this. I believe the issue at hand is not that Triple H belitted his opponent but that he did so in a completely illogicial way. The WCW belt is on Triple H's shoulder now. It's the same physical title. If it has no connection to that actual lineage (which many baselessly claim that it does) good luck explaining to anyone with a functioning brain why the same physical object is used. For HHH to say that the WCW title is worthless when he's holding a version of it, with Ric Flair standing next to him isn't him "holding anyone down" but it's kinda retarded. I'm not a HHHater. I just like the basics to make sense. This is fucking wrestling folks. It ain't NYPD Blue, it ain't Star Trek, it ain't a psychological thriller. Only a few things need to make sense to make wrestling writing work, and they don't, so people complain. It's like writing a movie where a guy gets someone's ex girlfriend and then says what a worthless slut she is...But still brags about how he has her. It's bad writing. It doesn't offend me and it's not about conspiracy...It's just fucking dumb.
Hm. And where, exactly, did I say anything at all about the text of HHH's speech? Oh, right. I didn't. But, since you brought it up... HHH was mocking the state of WCW at the time, and Booker's position at the top of a dying company. He never implied that the title was worthless. Hell, you could argue that he was implying just the opposite, that Booker disgraced the belt in the same way as Russo and Arquette did, being an "entertainer" and all.
Then, the nappy comment drew a groan from the crowd. Clearly, Uniondale or wherever the fuck they were at "got" the racial element. Anyone with any understanding of American history can see the racial overtones of asking someone black to dance for you and talking about "people like you". This wasn't coincidental as if he called Booker a chicken and we argued "blacks like their chicken". This was a little more pronounced. It had the racial overtones. Yes, you can dispute this but only in the way you can also dispute that water is wet, which is to say anyone can dispute anything and someone always does. There are people in the world arguing right now that we don't really exist, and these are the people who would argue that Trips' interview had no racial overtones. This promo bothered the non-fans in my house because of the racial overtones. I didn't have a problem personally because Trips is a heel and therefore they are showing him as an ass. But this was a problem for some people so let's not ignore it.
Once again, I never mentioned anything about the content of HHH's interview, just that it was one of the best I'd heard him perform. The racial overtones were there, yes. Quite deliberately, I'm sure. Who the hell's ignoring it?
Finally, I am not lily-white, and I have done stupid things. But I have never beaten a woman. Look up the definition of hypocrite. In the context you use it, we the "Austin haters" would only be hypocrites if we beat women and then criticized him for doing so.
The hypocrisy lies in labeling the man for one incident, the details of which are known to precisely two people, and casting judgement down upon him like you're some kind of saint. Calling a man a "wife-beater" because of a single domestic disturbance is like calling a person who walks in on someone in the shower a rapist. The guy's getting counseling, he's on probation voluntarily, he's getting his life back in order, and you're raining shit down on him so you can feel superior. However, maybe "hypocrite" was inaccurate. How about "asshole"?
Now if Austin had gotten drunk and puked on the sidewalk and missed a party he'd promised he'd be at; THEN I'd leave him alone. I've done that.
So, then, you're an alchoholic and a pathological liar?
But I can and will continue to deride anyone who stoops to levels I never have, and will continue to deride these people until such time that I too stoop to those levels, which; without being clairvoyant, I still feel confident in saying will never happen. People tell me I'm nice when I'm drunk, and I never say bad things to anyone or treat anyone bad. So let's stop pretending that Austin's sin was something that could "happen to anybody", and let's not make the absolutely fucking vapid argument that I can't predict the future, let's go on what I've done that compares to Austin. Which is nothing.
So far. But, as an alchoholic pathological liar, I'd imagine that it's only a matter of time. And you also happen to be completely unrealistic and incredibly naive if you think that just because you've so far been a "nice" drunk that you're incapable of doing something at the level of what Austin allegedly did while under the influence. And, hell, if you can't predict the future, then going ahead and predicting it anyway is sort of... pointless, no?
Jeez, can we stop defending this? I don't like Ike Turner either...
Who's defending what he did? You're reading all kinds of shit in what I posted that wasn't even close to being there. But, then, you're probably wasted, so that's to be expected.
Kansas-born and deeply ashamed The last living La Parka Marka: HE raised the briefcase!
At least now, when times are tough and it seems as though the company has lost all common sense, we as a populace of fans can take a step back and say with all certainty:
--The hypocrisy lies in labeling the man for one incident, the details of which are known to precisely two people, and casting judgement down upon him like you're some kind of saint. Calling a man a "wife-beater" because of a single domestic disturbance is like calling a person who walks in on someone in the shower a rapist. The guy's getting counseling, he's on probation voluntarily, he's getting his life back in order, and you're raining shit down on him so you can feel superior.--
Well said Nate. People have been so quick to judge Austin.
Well, a man who walks in on a woman in the shower didn't not rape said woman, so he is not a rapist. A man who beat his wife, even *just once* (and I don't buy that), still BEAT HIS WIFE, ergo, he is still a WIFE-BEATER. if you kill one guy with an axe, you're an axe murderer.
And when you're as big as Austin, and your wife is as small as Debra, it's even more reprehensible. And while I don't claim to be perfect, no matter how pissed off I've been, I've never put my hands on a woman.
"It's like you lost your keys in the garage, but you look for them in the living room because the light is better." -Bill Maher, on the impending war in Iraq
I don't like to get into these types of things but in all fairness. That was not the 1st time, maybe the 2nd time but I doubt it. I believe Debra said that it has happened before but she didn't report it because of his superstar status or some b-s. Hardly an excuse. It's a very personal issue.
You could say she didn't have to put up with it or whatever. It's really between them and their God (and the county). What anyone thinks doesn't matter anymore. I know that women can make you do crazy things. But hitting should never be an option. Somethings are too personal and are better left alone. I just hope he can get it together.
"NOW YOU GET YOUR WHININ ASS OUTTA HERE!!" Sid Vicious after slapping Bret Hart
Originally posted by Nate The SnakeThe hypocrisy lies in labeling the man for one incident, the details of which are known to precisely two people, and casting judgement down upon him like you're some kind of saint. Calling a man a "wife-beater" because of a single domestic disturbance is like calling a person who walks in on someone in the shower a rapist. The guy's getting counseling, he's on probation voluntarily, he's getting his life back in order, and you're raining shit down on him so you can feel superior. However, maybe "hypocrite" was inaccurate. How about "asshole"?
Okay. But I thought we could be a little more mature than this. See, buddy, the problem here is that you like Austin and are defending what he did. And you have a real problem with the English language. A rapist is someone who forces another to participate in a sexual act. Walking in on someone in the shower is not rape. Any remotely intelligent person can understand that. If you'd read my points, in other posts, about Austin's return then you'd also know that my main reasons for not wanting him back have little to do with his wife-beating. I don't want him back on wrestling TV because he's a stale character who wasn't putting anyone over and we've got enough of those now. But getting back on track, a man who abuses his wife is a wife-beater. We do know the details. We know she had bruises on her neck and back and face. That's enough for me. We also know, through studies that have gone on for years, that someone who beats his wife does not usually do so only once. It is possible this happened in the past. These are not huge conclusions to jump to. I am not raining shit on Austin, but I'm not going to buy his t-shirts and make him a wealthier man and talk about how great he is. I never said I was superior. I'm just a better human being, based on things that have happened and not things that haven't but might one day. It's great that he's getting his life back in order, but that doesn't mean I have to want to see him on TV under any circumstances.
Also, the definition of an alcoholic is a person who drinks alcohol to excess habitually and a pathological liar is someone who lies in a manner caused by or evidencing a mentally disturbed condition So there you go. I'm reading into things? Or is this your clever way of showing me that I read into things about Austin so you're reading into things about me. Ho ho ho! You're a sharp one...
But you see I brought that up to show that while I have made mistakes, my mistakes were in no way abusive to others. Unlike Mr. Austin's. Likewise, I've seen many people drink to excess and puke, and this happening once in no way indicates someone is an alcoholic; whereas physically abusing someone once usually and almost invariably ensures that the abuse will continue. Read some medical journals; it's all in there. So I still wouldn't be as dangerous to those around me even if your impotent claims are true.
Are you in high school, because your arguments sound pretty immature...And as for me being an asshole, as long as we're being children...YOU'RE AN ASSHOLE...'CAUSE YOU ARE WHAT YOU EAT! Oh...I've got another one...YOUR DICK IS SO SMALL...YOU PEE ON YOUR BALLS! Wow...It's fun making stupid claims to validate baseless points! You should make a career of this...You should be a politician!
See you on the flip side...
"Whatever I just posted above is what your mother said in bed last night."
Hogan's My Dad -- I see what you're trying to say at the end of your post there with the little balls and asshole comments...but don't let this degenerate any further than it has. You don't look bigger by parodying Nate's jokes.
Originally posted by FurryHippieI went to Raw last night, so let me just throw in a few things...To be fair, you have to realize that we ALL don't WHAT during the national anthem, and we ALL don't sit on our hands all night. I hate reading this stuff because everytime I drive from Staten Island to Long Island, I go to have a good time. It frustrates me hearing everybody just say "oh they suck". For everybody that screamed "WHAT" during the anthem, there were 100 people who didn't. In fact most of the noise was due to people telling the WHATers to shut their mouths.
One thing you're wrong with though - with Austin/Rock, everybody was on their feet, and especially when they got face to face, the bulbs were flashing and the chants were-a-flying. There was a buzz in the air for Austin/Rock, it's easier to sense when you're actually there where the buzz is happening.
I'm not dissing you or anyone personally, it could be the sound in the arena or it could be the fans, but it does seem whenever the show is in Long Island it just seems like the crowd doesn't help much. I'm not the only person who noticed it, like you said you've heard it said before and even a guy who is a Long Island native who did a report on The Torch said "That's the reason we only got 2 PPV's in 10 Years"... On the other hand I have no association or need to pimp the city of Chicago, but those guys always seemed extra geeked for everything on the show.
Hey I could diss my own neck of the woods too, I thought the "You Screwed Bret" chants were dumb 5 years ago (If you love Bret so much why pay for tickets after Vince screwed him?), and now it's just pathetic and meaningless, and just takes away from matches Hebner refs, thank goodness last week it only ruined a Lawler match, which seeing how many women matches he ruins I didn't mind so much this match being effected with the chant... And if someone on this board or on the net comments on the chant says "Canada Get over it", I'd agree!
As for whating the anthem, of course it wasn't 14,000 people yelling "what" in between pauses. Just like I'm sure it wasn't 14,000 people booing the Canadian anthem during the NYI/TOR playoffs series that year. But if it's a substantial number of people to make it noticeable for a recapper and you to confirm, and the rest of the crowd to try to drown them out and screaming "shut up" there's obviously something wrong here... Last week everyone was just as jacked for thinking Austin might show up. but didn't hear any "what" during all of Lil's pauses during the anthem. That would really screw her up doing a foreign anthem and getting distracted by "what".
*** Now onto something totally different, I'm guessing Nate falls under the pro HHH promo side. Which is great because I'm on that side too. But I wouldn't be calling everyone on the con side whining jerks who shouldn't watch wrestling and not post on the board. They have every right to their opinion on the matter and some made decent points. I hate to sound like a kissass but that's why this board rules. It's not a website with every writer having one way of thinking, it's a diverse group of people with different opinions on the matter. And for the board that has so many HHHaters him having a 14 to 8 positive ratio for his promo, it might be saying painting the entire board with a all anti H brush just isn't true as some would want you to believe.
(edited by Net Hack Slasher on 5.3.03 1658) Was mentioned Three times, 3X, 3X. In the "Great Wieners" thread!
Originally posted by drjayphdWas I the only one that wasn't bothered by HHH's opening promo
In a word, no. Most of the people who posted on this thread weighed in on whether they liked or hated the HHH/Booker promo, and the negative posters are greatly outnumbered:
Con: Venom dskillz vsp Battlezone fuelinjected PowerPB13 Davros Dr Unlikely
Pro:
HrdCoreJoe Mr Heel II Ol Fuzzy Bastard InVerse The 5th Horseman drjayphd Net Hack Slasher NEO Ringmistress SKLOKAZOID Dagen 913 Excalibur05 and me...
Excalibur05 expressed best how I feel about this angle so far.
Not that being in the majority makes us right--this is decidedly a matter of personal taste, and also of our expectations. I think that most of us would reverse our opinion if the outcome of the Booker/HHH match ends up being the opposite of what we expect.
sergei
I'm not totally a "pro", I'm more of a "neutral".
Ringmistress
Hi, I'm the Ringmistress and I have a crush on the IWC's most hated man. Do strait jackets come in one size fits all?
Yours was the post I was most iffy about, but I got the impression that, while you thought that HHH's promo was very, very mean, in the end it was good for HHH as a heel and Booker as a face. But I will move you to neutral, then add Nate the Snake, Jakegnosis, and (I guess) dMr to the pro side which brings us 8-1-15. The faction in favor of HHH's on-the-edge-of-good-taste promo is still way in the lead. Perhaps the perception that this board is filled with HHHaters is a bit of an exaggeration?
sergei
"I tear my quadracep all the time! I tore it this morning, I'm fine!"-- Kurt Angle
Originally posted by sergeialYours was the post I was most iffy about, but I got the impression that, while you thought that HHH's promo was very, very mean, in the end it was good for HHH as a heel and Booker as a face.
That's exactly what I meant. I think though that the feeling I had at the time was a slight pro, but with uncertainty. Until this leads to more, I'm quite happy with neutral.
Ringmistress
Hi, I'm the Ringmistress and I have a crush on the IWC's most hated man. Do strait jackets come in one size fits all?
You know, I could've SWORN I said Raw was good and entertaining, but still thought the Triple H promo was a bad ideal for the feud...
Must I agree with everything on WWE television? Is no critisism allowed? Can you accept the fact that I found 90 percent of Raw enjoyable, while 10 percent was bad?
While Rocky has been a much-needed shot in the arm for Raw, I do think that his act has a chance of getting stale pretty quick. His segment with the Hurricane last night was very similar to last week's backstage piece.