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#1 Posted on
The wife and I don't get to many movies (they normally run us anywhere from $50 to $100) but we made it to this one last weekend and this movie hooked me from the very first notes - Catherine Zeta Jones (considering she was pregnant at the time) and Renee Zellwegger (expected to be disappointed but...) really surprised but not as much as Richard Gere - I normally hate him in any role (especially Pretty Woman) but in this movie, I just couldn't. Don't know if it deserves all the Oscar consideration it is getting but when it comes out on DVD, I'll buy it.

edit: I missed all the Chicago discussion in the Oscars thread and probably should have gone there first - can't keep up at times

(edited by dunkndollaz on 20.2.03 1337)


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$50 to $100 bucks to go see a movie? How many kids DO you have?

I know popcorn prices are steep, but DAMN!

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Babysitters get $8 an hour where I live and when we get a babysitter we take full advantage and go for dinner too.... so - $20 for the movie, $32 for the babysitter and $50 for dinner



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Do you have any family that can babysit for you? That would help out greatly I'm sure, or just go to an earlier showing where it is A) cheaper and #2: no one to complain if the kid(s) start crying.

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#5 Posted on
Not that I have kids (cuz I don't), but I would have to think that if I took my kids to a movie, *I* would start complaining if they were crying.

Damn, kids are expensive.



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Since: 1.8.02
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#6 Posted on
Gotta agree that the movie was awesome- and Renee Zellweger surprised the hell out of me.
I have always been a sucker for musicals though....



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I'm actually not much of a musical fan, but DAMN, did I love that movie. Mayb I'd like the stage production, if I saw it.



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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.96

    Originally posted by dunkndollaz
    The wife and I don't get to many movies (they normally run us anywhere from $50 to $100) but we made it to this one last weekend and this movie hooked me from the very first notes - Catherine Zeta Jones (considering she was pregnant at the time) and Renee Zellwegger (expected to be disappointed but...) really surprised but not as much as Richard Gere - I normally hate him in any role (especially Pretty Woman) but in this movie, I just couldn't. Don't know if it deserves all the Oscar consideration it is getting but when it comes out on DVD, I'll buy it.

    edit: I missed all the Chicago discussion in the Oscars thread and probably should have gone there first - can't keep up at times

    (edited by dunkndollaz on 20.2.03 1337)



Back in THE DAY, when I was a babysitter (aka 5 years ago, before I got a REAL JOB), here was how much stuff cost...I adjusted the movie costs for now:
BABYSITTER ($5/hr for 6pm to 12am): $30.00
DINNER: $50.00
TICKETS: ($12.50 X 2): $25.00
MOVIE FOOD: (Large popcorn & 2 Large Sodas): $14.00

TOTAL: $119.00 Canadian, OR about $77.35 US (at 65 American cents per Canadian dollar)

EXPENSIVE, eh?



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#9 Posted on
Man, that's a lot of money to see a movie. Thank god I don't have to get anyone to babysit the dog, and I can eat a sandwich before I leave.



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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.44
Bah, Chicago sucked.

It wasn't a movie so much as an extended dance number. The plot was largely irrelevant, and given the general suckitude of said plot, I'd offer that that's good. No character development, no sympathetic characters to develop, and no story to speak of... bah, I say again.
Maybe Chicago was shocking and noteworthy when it came out, but tight outfits and provocative dancing are the stuff of basic cable these days.



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Since: 1.8.02
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#11 Posted on

    Originally posted by PalpatineW
    Bah, Chicago sucked.

    It wasn't a movie so much as an extended dance number. The plot was largely irrelevant, and given the general suckitude of said plot, I'd offer that that's good. No character development, no sympathetic characters to develop, and no story to speak of... bah, I say again.
    Maybe Chicago was shocking and noteworthy when it came out, but tight outfits and provocative dancing are the stuff of basic cable these days.


ARE YOU CRAZY?
Yeah, it is an extended dance number, but that is what a musical is all about.
Character Development- how about Renee Zelweger transforming from a star-struck fan to a celebrity herself?

How about CZJ changing from a star to a has-been seeking revenge?

How about the husband finally learning what his wife was all about?

And were you asleep during the whole film? The story is as obvious as the color blue. A woman kills her lover and gets sent to jail- the plot is her quest for "exhonneration." The statement the movie makes is incredibly applicable today, when you have high priced lawyers working to free celebrities accused of crimes all the time (OJ most notebly- see Robert Blake). Chicago is incredibly insightful when it comes to todays celebrity-defendants.

Maybe you were too busy looking at all of the hot bodies in skin-tight suits to notice the substance?



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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.25
If you liked Chicago that much, you should really see some genuinely visionary, original and challenging musicals and maybe you'll understand why some of us are underwhelmed.

Like I said before it's a fun, adorable and entertaining little movie but it's not worthy of great praise.



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#13 Posted on
I did not claim to be totally overwhelmed by Chicago. And I have seen enough musicals to know exactly where that one ranks. (And it really is not as bad as all that now)
I was mearly pointing out that Chicago was NOT a pile of garbage. It was a good movie, and for a director to be able to pull off a good musical in this day and age and have it NOT be a cartoon, well, it should be commended.
Sure I like some other musicals better (My Fair Lady pops immediatly to mind), but I am going to trash talk Chicago, becuase it is not as good as the musicals of yesteryear, especially when it is far better than the piles of crap for movies that get shoved down out throat these days (Blue Crush? The Matrix? etc?).
It is worthy of priase for what it is. And while it may not be worthy of GREAT praise, it is certainly not deserving of the "pile of crap" rating.



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#14 Posted on

    Originally posted by Cerebus
    Do you have any family that can babysit for you? That would help out greatly I'm sure, or just go to an earlier showing where it is A) cheaper and #2: no one to complain if the kid(s) start crying.

    (wc-40)



Closest family is an hour away and I'm really not going to take a 3 year old and 4 1/2 year old to any of the PG-13 or R movies that I want to see - I did take them to see Jungle Book 2 over the weekend however and found that to be an enjoyable but forgettable wanna-be sequel that the kids loved



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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.36
"Moulin Rouge, Hedwig and the Angry Inch, Dancer in the Dark, Topsy Turvy and Love's Labour's Lost"

All great movie musicals, however with the exception of Moulin Rouge none of these films enjoyed any level of mainstream success and that is why I think Chicago is earning as much praise as it has, it is getting jack and mary from peoria into the local cineplex to see a movie musical. This is something that hasn't been done since Grease.

So I am forgiving of its flaws as it seems to be ushering in a renaissance of one of my favorite film genres and since About Schmidt isn't nominated I have no problem with Chicago getting best picture...(although I did finally see The Pianists and now I'm torn...)



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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.96

    Originally posted by krakken2000
    "Moulin Rouge, Hedwig and the Angry Inch, Dancer in the Dark, Topsy Turvy and Love's Labour's Lost"

    All great movie musicals, however with the exception of Moulin Rouge none of these films enjoyed any level of mainstream success and that is why I think Chicago is earning as much praise as it has, it is getting jack and mary from peoria into the local cineplex to see a movie musical. This is something that hasn't been done since Grease.

    So I am forgiving of its flaws as it seems to be ushering in a renaissance of one of my favorite film genres and since About Schmidt isn't nominated I have no problem with Chicago getting best picture...(although I did finally see The Pianists and now I'm torn...)



Moulin Rouge had the swank love story holding it together, and it was more of an homage to old school movie musicals than anything else. Chicago is a different breed altogether. It's more of a scathing parody/commentary on our culture masked under catchy songs. And John C. Reilly rocking the hizzouse.

As for Best Picture, I'd say it's a two horse race between Chicago and Gangs of New York. Roman Polanski is in exile (he'll be arrested if he comes to the USA), and since he's nominated for The Pianist, it won't win. The Hours is more an acting showcase than anything else, and The Two Towers will defer the trilogy's honors until next year, when Peter Jackson gets a big hug from the Academy.



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#17 Posted on

I hate musicals. But I love CZJ. So I may watch it on cable.

Musicals generally seem to be a combination of miserable songwriting and second-rate acting, sprinkled with insipid dance numbers and dubbed singing.



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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.96
BEST SCREEN CREDIT EVER.

I noticed this at work on the weekend...during the Chicago credits crawl...

"Renee Zelwegger's singing and dancing
Performed by Renee Zelwegger

Richard Gere's singing and dancing
Performed by Richard Gere

Catherine Zeta-Jones' singing and dancing
Performed by Catherine Zeta-Jones"

Couldn't help but laugh.

Dubbed? Hardly. And that's why those singing, dancing fools have earned my respect.



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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.44
Pool-Boy, while I appreciate your use of the paragraph break in the preceding posts, no, I was not asleep during the film. I tried, but all the damn noise kept me awake.

I still think the movie was silly. Now, I'm not an idiot. I understand that it was a musical, not a drama, so I shouldn't be expecting a compelling story. But, come on, who do you root for here? They were all scumbags. It's like watching HHH wrestle himself. I have mixed feelings about Moulin Rouge, but at least the story made an honest try at being compelling. Perhaps because Chicago is adapted from the stage (and should have stayed on the stage).



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Since: 31.10.02
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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.36

    Originally posted by PalpatineW
    Pool-Boy, while I appreciate your use of the paragraph break in the preceding posts, no, I was not asleep during the film. I tried, but all the damn noise kept me awake.

    I still think the movie was silly. Now, I'm not an idiot. I understand that it was a musical, not a drama, so I shouldn't be expecting a compelling story. But, come on, who do you root for here? They were all scumbags. It's like watching HHH wrestle himself. I have mixed feelings about Moulin Rouge, but at least the story made an honest try at being compelling. Perhaps because Chicago is adapted from the stage (and should have stayed on the stage).



So a movie has to have likable characters to be compelling?

What about a film like "Pulp Fiction"? Is that not a good film due to an overabundance of scumbags?
Midnight Cowboy?
The Godfather?
Raging Bull?
Goodfellas?
Unforgiven?




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