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#21 Posted on

    Originally posted by Guru Zim

      Originally posted by Freeway420
      Howard The Duck is probably the WORST comic movie of all time, period.

      And the fanboy in me wants to see an Archie movie.


    The Punisher movie was really, really bad. So was the Phantom movie. Howard the Duck was awesomely bad.



What about Captain America? Sweet Jesus, that movie was bad.



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#22 Posted on
I think it's a toss-up between Howard and Capt America. Something about wanting an actor that looks both scrawny for the pre-formula Steve Roger as well as buff for the post-formula Cap WITHOUT a padded suit or CGI...

Anyway, for DD, I figure it's probably going to have a decent opening weekend, but a serious drop off. I'm indifferent to Afleck since I haven't seen him in much, but I think it will ride on the existing goodwill from Spiderman and draw some people who are sort of gearing up for X2 and Hulk.

$95Mil.

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#23 Posted on
The be-all-and-end-all of bad bad comic movies...Fantastic Four. See it and you will cry into your fanboy hands. Bad.

BTW...95 million



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#24 Posted on
I'll say $50 million total for DD. I just don't see there being as much appeal to that franchise.

I also think Hulk's gonna tank.

Just a bad vibe on that, I guess...










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#25 Posted on
Well this is a tough one. I mean I'm a big fan of the Daredevil comics, not so much the ones out now currently, but I will pick it up from time to time. Judging from the trailers it seems like the director/writer Mark Steven Johnson is really close and loving of the material. But there is just so much un-inspired stuff in the clips. I'll list them, maybe you think I'm nitpicking but I'll let others decide that.

Street Irish punk CrossHairs-Well that's certainly not the Bullseye I remember. I think Colin Farrell is a decent actor, even though he has yet to impress me. I think the black leather duster/street/matrix look for CROSSHAIRS is rather silly, and I don't think Bullseye needs to be Irish. The fact that Farrell has called the character himself one-dimensional doesn't really give me much faith.

Elektraney Natchiostow-well I mean Frank Miller went to the set and seemed to give his seal of approval to Garner as Elektra even though she's not quite the "dark, alluring" greek temptress of the comics. Garner's as elektra seems more of an extension of her character on Alias, rather than actually BEING Elektra...Oh and did I mention they went with the BLACK LEATHER/matrix look with her as well? I mean her costume isn't that bad, and it slightly resembles the comic book. But what its really missing is Elektra's trademark hood or bandanna over her head. Maybe she uses at some point in the movie that we haven't seen I don't know.

Affleck as Daredevil-Did I mention that his costume is made out of LEATHER?! Its really sad if you ask me, especially when the costumes were designed by James Acheson who did Spider-man. I loved the spider-man movie costume because it proved that real super heroes wear SPANDEX! Dammit hollywood, EMBRACE THE FREAKING SPANDEX!!!! Enough with the leather matrix crap. I challenge any filmmaker who's doing a movie based on a comic book movie with spandex colorful costumes, make them WORK on screen. Watch spider-man, IT CAN BE DONE DAMMIT! And what's with the stupid HELMET Daredevil wears? Ugh. I think making Daredevil's costume a tight red leather biker suit is silly. I mean wouldn't it be easier to move around in a spandex costume than leather? Especially when he's jumping around buildings? Anyway, the clips with Scott Terra as a young Murdock and David Keith as his boxing father look neat. I'm not a big Affleck fan, and I've hated most of his movies including the parts he played. In interviews he really seems serious about the movie though and being the character and he seems to have done a good job. However, Affleck is NOT an inspired casting choice as Daredevil. Its a studio choice all the way, if you disagree...that's fine too.

I hear that Kingpin is one bad mo' SHUT YO MOUTH! I'm just talkin' 'bout Kingpin-Well at least Michael Clark Duncan isn't wearing leather...Ok now...look please no one take this the wrong way, and I'm going to...aw fuck it. Look Kingpin is WHITE ok. He was the embodiment of the evil big fat white businessman corp. guy or whatever. Now people say, the way someone physically looks should have no bearing on playing a part. However, Johnson cast Duncan because he simply is HUGE. So Johnson admitted to casting Duncan because of the way he physically looks...so make your own conclusions from that. I'm not saying Duncan will play the part wrong or bad, in the clips he seems to do ok...its just...alright just forget what I just typed here and don't hate...PLEASE!

You will believe a blind man...can swing webs-I think the marketing for the movie has been very...interesting to say the least. The 2 trailers themselves were edited very poorly and really weren't convincing me with all the crappy music cues and the herky jerky confusing editing and all the weird dialogue. Now I've watched most of the tv spots, and do they remind anyone of another marketing campaign for a movie about a guy who could fly around city scapes. FOX is really packaging this movie like its the next Spider-man and seem to be pushing it that way. It's also going to come in with a PG-13 rating, even though the movie was SHOT as an R.

If you're doing an origin movie do it right-I think the main problem I have with the movie is the fact that there is no STICK. I suppose Murdock learns all his skills on his own or we just don't see it. Johnson who's supposed to be drunk in love with all things Daredevil said using Stick would just make a Mr. Miyagi character...such an ambitious filmmaker huh? Not wanting to be challenged and take something like that in a different direction...too bad. However, to Johnson's credit he has put pretty much everything else in...so I suppose you can let that one slide.

The CrowDevil-Mark Steven Johnson said in a Wizard interview that his favorite comic book movie was the Crow, and I think we can obviously tell that was an influence to the movie. I guess this isn't really a bad thing, but I don't think its a good idea for a movie like Daredevil that many fans have waited so long for to strive to be like another movie...

I predict Daredevil will make somewhere in the neighborhood of 100-120 million dollars.



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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05

    Originally posted by Guru Zim

      Originally posted by Freeway420
      Howard The Duck is probably the WORST comic movie of all time, period.

      And the fanboy in me wants to see an Archie movie.


    The Punisher movie was really, really bad. So was the Phantom movie. Howard the Duck was awesomely bad.



the fantastic four movie was worse...



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#27 Posted on
I don't think the Kingpin's skin color is integral to the character. And if it was a choice between Duncan, who is legitimately huge, or some white actor wearing a fat suit, I'll happily take Duncan. (But then, I've also seen Andre Braugher play Henry V and Lawrence Fishburne star in "The Lion in Winter" without anyone in the audience batting an eye, even though the characters they played were "supposed" to be white.)

Nor do I mind Bullseye's new look. At least he looks a little more intimidating than he might running around in black spandex with white boots and gloves and a big white bullseye on his forehead. Some costumes just don't translate very well to the real world, and Bullseye's is one of them.

My main objections to the movie are the red leather outfit, which just looks ass, and Jennifer Garner as Elektra. Now, I try not to nitpick casting too much -- I remember well the days when fanboys were declaring that Michael Keaton couldn't possibly play Batman and would turn the whole thing into an Adam West-style parody. But I just don't buy Garner as Elektra. I've never liked her much in Alias, and I don't think I'm going to like her here either, based on the trailers.



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#28 Posted on
I think the biggest obstacle the DareDevil movie has is that DareDevil isn't a mainstream comic, IMO. I always enjoyed the daredevil comic when I read them and I’m sure most comic fans recognize him. But unlike Spiderman, The X-men, Superman or Batman there is going to be little name recognition from Joe average. Superman, Spiderman, and Batman had the advantage of being pop icons (as will the Hulk when it comes out); the X-men have had cartoons for years now.

I think that this is why they went with Affleck & Garner as they have a built in audience. The way Snipes did in Blade.

And while I agree with The Vile1 that Kingpin was representative of Big White Business the studio most likely wanted another name actor instead of an unknown, I mean can you think of anyone with that kind of size other than maybe Earthquake or Tugboat? Wait they would have been perfect.

So my prediction, due to lack of competition this time of year, It will pull in Blade type of money. 80-90 Mil.




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#29 Posted on
"And while I agree with The Vile1 that Kingpin was representative of Big White Business the studio most likely wanted another name actor instead of an unknown, I mean can you think of anyone with that kind of size other than maybe Earthquake or Tugboat? Wait they would have been perfect."

Paul Sorvino could bulk up to Kingpin-esque weights, and he has the whole vaguely aristocratic air about him. Plus he's Kingpin's rough age range, which Duncan is not.




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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.41

Kingpin = Vader.



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#31 Posted on
I think Daredevil became a little more mainstream with the Kevin Smith and Bob Gale runs on the comic, plus there are the Ultimate Daredevil and the current Brian Michael Bendis ones...which weren't necessarily great, but I'm sure they found some more readership or whatever...

I can certainly understand the studio picking the big "stars" to be in the movie. The types of stars who have a built in audience. In spider-man the biggest star was kirsten dunst, but spider-man is also one of the most recognizeable popular characters ever like someone else said I think. However Daredevil also has that same amount of history and longevity that spider-man does as they both started around the same time.

Looking at the shield, I think Michael Chiklis would make a good kingpin, even though he's not that tall (which never seems to be a problem in movies, see LORD OF THE RINGS). Anyway, my only point about Michael Clarke Duncan is that in response to people who say kingpin isn't black, its said that physical attributes shouldn't matter when playing in a role, but Duncan was cast because of how he looks physically, so either way the argument is kind of null.



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#32 Posted on
I actually am suprised that Hollywood used a black actor to portray an evil white character. After the craptacular total douchebag wussout that was Sum of all Fears I was worried all villains would be portrayed to be white billionares and Nazis. Really as long as the actor plays Kingpin fairly well he could be pretty much anyone. But Kingpin's fighting style and a whole lot of other things come from him being huge so Duncan seems like a good choice.
I hope that DD does well since I liked the comic book. But X2 and Hulk will almost definitely suck ass.

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#33 Posted on
I have to agree with brick. . .DD doesn't have the name recognition of Spiderman or Superman or Batman, which are pretty much etched into the culture forever. The salient details dont matter. They just know the name and the image--Spiderman is Spiderman. The Hulk is the Hulk. They're not even comic heroes--they're icons.

DD doesn't have that advantage--most folks don't know why DD is an for the most part the best part of the character's run were kept out of print for years. So it's an uphill climb for it, especially with the trailers I've seen. I don't think it's a good idea to rip off a shot from "Sipder-Man" and play it EVERY trailer. . .c'mon, it was barely a year ago "Spider-man" came out.

I also agree with brick in that it'll make "Blade" money and in fact succeed based on its model--the comic connection won't draw in many viewers--they'll either discover it on its own or will scratch their head and stay away.

Of course, "Blade" had it easier because it was less a comic film and much more a straight action movie. So I'll put my money down and say. . .er. . .$65 million.



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#34 Posted on
I really think that DD will make more than that. Around 100 to maybe 150 million. Yes DD isn't the best known comic book character but the studio is pimping the hell out of the movie. Also Afleck is nailing J-Ho and they are always in the tabloid part of the press. But if the movie does suck then it might only make around 70 million. I really question making this movie especially paying Afleck a shitload of money. Yes X2 and Hulk will make a lot of money but they are going to be as stupid and boring as the first X-Men movie.



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