I may have completely missed the reason for this, but -
Why is Lesnar vs. Big Show necessary? Why does Lesnar need to defeat *anybody* to get into the Royal Rumble? I didn't think that Heyman's "official" powers allowed him such control over Rumble participants. Why didn't Lesnar just blow off the challenge and/or waste Big Show at some other time?
Steph
I'm going twenty-four hours a day...I can't seem to stop - "Turn Up The Radio", Autograph
No, his official powers do not allow that. But it happens all the time. when wrestlers are challenged and they accept it, the match just takes place. It happens on every show, going from Raw openers to PPV main events. Unless the GM, Owner, Commish, etc, run in and say they do not allow it. Only to book something similar the next show.
I consider it one of those things that can be cool, but make no sense once you start nitpicking ;)
Originally posted by StephanieI may have completely missed the reason for this, but -
Why is Lesnar vs. Big Show necessary? Why does Lesnar need to defeat *anybody* to get into the Royal Rumble? I didn't think that Heyman's "official" powers allowed him such control over Rumble participants. Why didn't Lesnar just blow off the challenge and/or waste Big Show at some other time?
Steph
Yes dMp said it, it's that "pride" thing that helps make storylines make sense. Without it, there's no way to get Lesnar into a match like that. I'm sure if he was a heel, he'd come out and say "A star like me doesn't need to beat a fat piece of shit, Steph says I'm in anyway". But character-wise, Brock ain't gonna say no to a Heyman challenge, especially against the Big Show, who he still hasn't beaten yet (and therefore has a little something to prove).
I'm gonna make a prediction - Big Show AND Brock Lesnar will both be in the Rumble Match. This will more-or-less happen in one of 2 ways:
1) Lesnar beats Big Show. Paul, being the genius he is, comes out or gets the mike and says "I have another contingency plan, blah blah" and that he was afraid of something like this, and that the contract never stated the loser would be OUT, only the winner would be IN. I don't feel this is too likely though cause then Big Show gets in the Rumble - and has to lose. The whole thing would be pointless.
2) More likely, I see Brock turning the tables on Paul. You can see the way Paul keeps saying "Gotcha!" to Brock, and in wrestling terms, that means Brock will one day say "Gotcha" back. Perhaps Paul will cheat Big Show to a win again (in some capacity), but then BROCK can say that the contract never states the loser is out of the Rumble (and throws a "GOTCHA!" in there), and proceeds to kick Show's ass in said Rumble match and toss him like a sack of beans over the top (to win it perhaps?). This one works a little better cause even under the assumption that Brock felt he would win, he wouldn't be scared of the loser, Big Show, being in the Rumble as well.
I mean, I could be wrong, but on Smackdown, I NEVER heard them say the loser is out. They keep hyping and hyping "WINNER IS IN THE RUMBLE MATCH". In WWE, if they don't spell out the rules plain as day, you know it comes back to haunt somebody.
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Originally posted by RussenmafiaIts just in so we can see Brock throw the Big Show around like a rag doll (yay) and get the win and blow the feud off.
I agree. It's also keeping Brock away from Angle. The assumption I'm making is that this is going to be the Wrestlemania match for Smackdown. It may also lead to a show turn. I'm also thinking that there are two more weeks for someone to mouth-off and have the no rematch clause stripped or put up if Brock defeats big show. This could lead to the beat down of big show by team angle turning either big show or team angle.
Another Big Show turn? Likely but not likely. BS has been face and heel many times in the WWF without getting heat in either role. It looks like he may have finally settled into something now with Heyman as his manager and mouth piece. If BS goes face again, he'd have to lose his manager. Smackdown needs a solid roster of heels, and Brock only turned face a few months ago, along with Benoit and Los Guerreros (kind of). I think the role that BS has now is perfect for him.
Brock is getting the top babyface treatment. Long journey for the road to Wrestlemania. Must conquer various adversities along the way like win Royal Rumble. Lose #1 contendership and regain #1 contendership, conflict with authority figures, etc.
Originally posted by komarkaze Must conquer various adversities along the way like win Royal Rumble. Lose #1 contendership and regain #1 contendership, conflict with authority figures, etc.
This is why I'm feeling the Big Show winning situation. Big Show wins the match (due to Paul/Angle cheating), and we feel like 'OH SHIT, Brock ain't getting in the Rumble!'. And then during the match, 3-2-1...HERE COMES THE PAIN. The crowd goes nuts, Lesnar wins the Rumble, and chaos runs amok as the PPV goes off the air. Then on Smackdown he can explain the whole "the loser never had to stay out of the Rumble" gig ("GOTCHA"!). Eh, they could just have Brock kill Show and then win the Rumble, but this would add another step to the process and make it look like Brock jumped yet ANOTHER hurdle to WrestleMania, as Paul thought he screwed Brock a 2nd time. As if to say Brock finally outsmarted Heyman, and now nothing's in the way between him and WrestleMania.
The only prob is, they won't job Brock to Show twice. Oh well, just an idea.
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Refresh my memory, but why did Heyman turn on Brock in the first place? I have no idea, storyline-wise, why Heyman suddenly hates him so much that he devises all these elaborate plots to "screw" him.
"My brother saw the Undertaker walking through an airport." - Rex "Was he no-selling?" - Me
"...release the dogs, or the bees, or the dogs with bees in their mouths, and when they bark, they shoot bees at you?" -- Homer Simpson
Why have this match? Well, for Big Show (or really Heyman) it's just a way to protect Angle. Heyman knows that Big Show can beat Lesnar, and he doesn't want Lesnar to get to Angle, so have this stipulation match to keep Lesnar away from getting the title shot. As for why Lesnar would except it, because he believes he can beat Big Show, and wants to get revenge on both Big Show (for taking his title) and Heyman (for screwing him). Now sure he could turn down the challenge and be in the Rumble, but who knows if him and Big Show are in the ring at the same time. So this way he gets his revenge on Big Show one on one, and still gets his shot at Angle too.
As for why Heyman went from Lesnar to Big Show, i'm not real positive on why either. I suspect it's just because he thought Big Show was better and wanted to be with the better man, but still that gives him no reason to hate Lesnar the way he does. If anything Lesnar should be the one hating Heyman.
And FurryHippie, that's good thinking about the loser still being in the Royal Rumble. I think you've had experience at screwing over people.
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Originally posted by asteroidboyRefresh my memory, but why did Heyman turn on Brock in the first place? I have no idea, storyline-wise, why Heyman suddenly hates him so much that he devises all these elaborate plots to "screw" him.
i always got the impression that it was because lesnar stopped following heyman's orders. to a megalomaniac like heyman, having his "client" go against his orders would be the ultimate insult.
I think it started when Brock wouldn't go to the doctor after Hell In A Cell, instead he wanted to get back in the ring and that pissed Heyman off. Like the last two guys said, Heyman felt he could no longer manipulate Brock. They were playing up that Brock was going to fire Heyman so in essence, Heyman screwed Brock before Brock could get rid of him and his meal ticket, the title.
They seem to be playing it up more now that Heyman is obsessed with representing the WWE Champion at all costs and knows Brock can beat anyone so he's gotta stop him from getting a title shot.