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Since: 11.1.02
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#1 Posted on
Another pretty cool episode last night. The bad guys shooting each other was totally out of nowhere.

Bob Warner works for the CIA? This storyline doesn't make much sense to me. Reza must be a really good actor, because it doesn't seem like he know anything. And who were the people that kidnapped Kate? What could she possibly offer? Do they need a girl with the blankest stare in the world?

Enough already with Kim. Daddy's a little busy saving the world, honey. Maybe you shouldn't have stolen that car. And way to keep a secret. Why don't you just tell everyone?

Jack and Nina were good again. Finally we figure out why Nina picked up that card. A little continuity is always good. And I didn't see the ending coming at all. Cool episode.



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#2 Posted on
Yeah, the Jack-Nina storyline saved this week's show.

Mason ruled as well.

When's the next new episode of 24? According to TV Guide, 24's not on next week. Anyone?



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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.20
Next new episode isn't until Jan. 7th.

My favorite part is that FOX has apparently dropped that god-awful "Jack.... Will be right back!" ad bumper.



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Since: 17.1.02
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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.44
Thank God that 24 had the reporter spill the beans simultaneously with Kim about the nuclear bomb threat. I don't know how pissed most of us would have been if Kim F'n Bauer was responsible for the LA panic.

I like how Sherry couldn't use her wiles in this case with the reporter. She is always so good, so it's fun to see her fail once in a while.

When will Michelle (Sarah Wynter) become a bigger part of the show? She needs to go heel soon so I can hate her more than Kim.

In closing, I hate Kim and her karate expert spilling-the-beans dickhead boyfriend.



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Since: 19.3.02
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#5 Posted on
I could have done without the 'Terrorist with a heart of gold' not wanting to blow things up after encountering the playground/good samaritan. Way too sappy.

The ending seemed convoluted at first, but given that we'd already had one act end with an aircraft going down, I guess it wouldn't be out of the ordinary to have a repeat of that situation, and having them tied together.

Another kidnapping plot? They did manage to kidnap someone less likable than Kim Bauer, and that's a pretty tough task.

Has anybody kept count of the death toll so far for this season?






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#6 Posted on
Let's see, there's the couple that Kim worked for, the terrorists that killed each other, Sara Gilbert's character, the guy whose water was poisoned, and about 30 died when CTU was blown up.

So that adds up to about 36 people. I'm probably forgetting somebody.

Also, I haven't seen the Cubs mug lately.



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Since: 31.10.02
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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.36
The ambassadors who died in the helicopter crash, was there two of them? Oh and I guess a pilot.

Plus the guys who blew up CTU all died either from Jack killing them or locking themselves in a room and blowing their own brains out.







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Since: 26.6.02
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#8 Posted on
Don't forget the guy Jack shot, then decapitated. And the guys at the warehouse killed by the Police and Mason. You've got more dead terrorists in Fahim's store too when the Fed's came in like gangbusters (plus Fahim thanks to Nina). One of the Feds was shot, dunno if he died. The guys who blew up CTU also killed the Phone guy at that big switch.
And don't forget Joe's dog who was blown away by Jack.

All in all, a pretty high death toll so far, even without the large numbers blown up in CTU. I suppose you could add Mason to the list. He's dead, he just hasn't dropped yet.

I didn't get the impression that Jack killed the CTU agent with the water, he just drugged him to knock him out so he could have Nina all to himself. The few times people mentioned it on the show they referred to it as 'drugged' not 'poisoned'.




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24 definitely didn't kill Ed Mills when they were transporting Nina, he just used some of his knockout drops that I guess he always carries around with him. If it was anyone else, I'd have trouble believing that, but that seems totally in character for him.

A few threads back, I had the death count going but I lost track during the CTU raid in Visalia. It looked like four more deaths would have happened there. I don't think the abused wife was mentioned in the posts above, either.

This was a pretty damn good episode and set into motion some future developments. The best part was George Mason deciding to interrogate Reza. "Mr. Naier, I need to speak with you for a second." "Yes?" CHOKEHOLD! That was cool. That and telling Tony that he was free to stick bamboo shoots under their fingernails to get them to talk if he thought it would help.

I also liked the Nicest Guy in the World helping out the three bomb delivering terrorists, who then turned out to be the 3 Evil Stooges. The guy giving them directions to the tire shop and then turning down the money warmed Curly's frozen heart, and then Moe shot him a bunch of times, and then Curly managed to kill Moe, leaving poor Larry to have to finish the job. What a bunch of knuckleheads.

24 was totally going to take Nina off to execute her when they left the shop in Visalia. You have to like how they're not pulling punches there and he's got no qualms about offing her as soon as he's convinced they don't need her anymore. She obviously knew it, prompting her to use the gift tag for her assassination on the plane. That was a really well-done scene, with the six-way conversation where Nina was getting her final information, Michelle couldn't hear what she was saying, George Mason was assuring 24 that he'd take care of Kim (because George Mason and 24 have a spiritual bond now, man...a bond in death!) and 24 speaking for all of us as viewers by telling Kim to shut up because the important and cool stuff was happening.

The cop was kind of an interesting character. He played Kim off Jake Gyllenhall by taking a shot in the dark with the bomb scare thing. And as Torchslasher noted above, the cop won't be the source of the leak, so he seems to have been established as an actual levelheaded character. That's neat.

Oh yeah, how could I forget? Seeing Kate get drugged and thrown into the truck was neat. They beat the crap out of that investigator guy, too. And according to the previews, they've been put into one of those evil White Rooms that 24 was talking about setting up in the first half of the episode, which leads me to believe that the kidnappers have some connection to CTU or the CIA.

The two big plot points that I think were established relate to that. We had Ron Weiland get released somehow at the end...but it's important to note that he's not talking about being detained, so he took the deal that Sherry offered, even if he didn't take it from her. Now, despite what Roger Stanton said at the end, Armus wasn't the only guy who knew Weiland was in the room. Stanton knew, too. In any event, somebody (maybe even Sherry herself) let Weiland out of there after getting him to take the deal and the only reason to do that is to undermine Palmer.

Also, I believe that Bob Warner was telling the truth. He just doesn't know what's going on. He was told that he's working for the government, and he probably is, but not for Palmer or the real CIA. This all looks to be tying into a shadow government plot, with a fake government branch using people like Warner (like in "Sneakers") to manipulate the terrorists, moving around in Palmer's cabinet to screw with him by moving the troops in LA and let Weiland out, and having people out there to clean up the lose ends like Kate and the investigator. And someone taking down 24's plane with a shoulder-mounted rocket, no doubt, which is probably indeed what happened to the helicopter.

Going by all that, it seems like Eric Rayburn, the security chief that Palmer removed from his office in the first few episodes, was the one guy who he could have trusted because he was too upfront to be in on a conspiracy. Lynne, Stanton, Armus and Sherry seem like key suspects, but someone's clearly keeping Sherry in the loop. It could be Mike, the Chief of Staff, but I don't see what he'd gain, since he'd go down with Palmer. There's got to be someone from the FBI or CTU moving info along, too. When's the last time we heard from the FBI director who George Mason has had to keep informed of things all of last season and this season? We only see him every now and then, but they've made a point to refer to him a lot. I bet he's an Evil Secret German, too.
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#10 Posted on
Chapelle?



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#11 Posted on
Yeah, that's the one, Ryan Chapelle. He's been part of the show through both seasons and he was one of the potential suspects at the end of last season before Nina revealed herself. I'm pretty sure he actually had face-to-face scenes with CTU last season and at least one on-camera appearance in his dark office this time. I know George Mason has mentioned keeping him informed a few times in the early hours this year, especially when they needed the pedophile guy from FBI custody. So he's been informed of 24's location for the duration of both days. Plus, the FBI is the only major security department to not have a mole so far in the show's run.

I thought a bit more about the conspiracy I was rambling about in the post above, and it occurred to me that we've already been presented with a powerful, evil group who would be out to get Palmer specifically: his financial backers in the first season, the ones he dropped in the final hours of the campaign because of the business with his son, they're all still out there. It's a powerful group with financial and government ties that Palmer crossed. And a group that Sherry likely didn't cut her ties with, since she didn't want Palmer to reveal the story about their kids.

That's a pretty bad group of guys who lost their influence over the White House that they'd been planning on having and their motives and potential allies (Sherry, Stanton, people in the FBI and/or CIA) all make sense. They'd more than likely be able to pretend to be the government to fool a dumbass like Bob Warner and his idiot kids. I'm just not sure how they'd tie with Nina's group, which wanted Palmer dead for a different reason than the Drazens.
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Since: 18.11.02
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#12 Posted on
Can somebody remind me exactly what was up with Palmer's kids last season? For some strange reason, I've all but completely forgotten what their deal was. I remember something about the son killing his therapist or being accused of killing his therapist or something like that. I don't know how I managed to forget an entire plotline, but my brain just sucks that way. I'll appreciate any help. Hopefully, everything will work out my way and I'll have the season 1 DVD on Christmas so I can go back and see if there's anything else I've forgotten.



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Since: 26.6.02
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#13 Posted on
here's what basically happened:

years ago palmer's daughter was raped by a white boy who may have been dating her. her brother got into a fight with the guy and the guy ended up going off over the ledge or roof, or out the window of the building and splatted on the ground. palmer's wife, daughter, and son agreed to say that the boy committted suicide and lied to the cops about the son being at the scene. they left his son out of it since they feared that the cops would see it as a racial issue since the rapist was white. palmer was mightily displeased about that coverup. Palmer's son's headshrinker was going to go to the press and leaked the story about his son killing the kid to that female reporter and palmer's political backers had the therapist killed and planted evidence to make it look like his son did it. the evidence wasn't obvious and would only be found in an intense investigation if Palmer came out with the story about his son killing that boy. The political backers wanted Palmer to stay quiet about the whole thing. But Palmer spilled the beans anyway.




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Since: 18.11.02
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#14 Posted on
That's right. I remember now. Thanks for the help!



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